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Old November 23rd, 2008
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Maybe one of you computer people can help me. I am using a PC with an Intel quad processor with 3 GB RAM and 2 TB of storage (1 TB as a RAID, 1 TB as a single HDD), Windows XP. The video is an NVidia Geoforce 8500 GT with 512 MB; the drivers are the latest from their website. My problem is some of my graphics software seems to run painfully slow (Corel Draw, Photoshop Elements V7). So, other than getting a MAC, any suggestions? A faster video card? More RAM on the board? Appreciate any suggestions.
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Old November 23rd, 2008
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Re: Video Card

If you are running a 32 bit OS then more ram will not help. 32 bit OS's cannot use much more than 3 Gig. If you've a 64 bit OS then by all means upgrade to at least 8 gig. You should see noticeable improvements.
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Old November 23rd, 2008
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If you are running a 32 bit OS then more ram will not help. 32 bit OS's cannot use much more than 3 Gig. If you've a 64 bit OS then by all means upgrade to at least 8 gig. You should see noticeable improvements.
The OS can actually use up to at least [1] 4GB. Each process (e.g. one instance of Photoshop or Web-browser) is, however, limited to a maximum of 3GB, and in normal circumstances, that limit is actually 2GB rather than 3GB.

Having said that, if you use a 512MB graphics card, that will use up 0.5GB of the 4GB total, and there are probably the odd other card that uses a bit of memory too, so much more than 3GB becomes hard to get if you don't have more than 32 bits of addressing to work with [because the most that we can reach with a 32-bit number is 4GB].

Photo editing programs use the graphics card in very simple ways, so I doubt very much that getting a better graphics card would help much.

However, it would be useful to figure out why it is running slow. If you are very technical, you could run Intel VTune (or AMD CodeAnalyst if you have an AMD processor) on the machine and get data of precisely what is being slow. Most people aren't that technical, so I'll explain the "simple method" too: Start task manager, select the "performance tab". Look at how much processors are loaded (you'll have one "wiggly line graph" box for each processor). Are all processor cores loaded, or just the one?

Look at how much memory is being used (that's another, usually less wiggly, line diagram below the CPU load diagram).

Look at physical memory total vs. available. Look at the "commit charge" and "kernel memory".

If the CPU cores are loaded, check the "processes tab", and click on teh "CPU" heading to see which process(es) that are using much processing time.

If you feel that the above isn't enough to decipher the task manager, you can post screen shots of task manager, and someone would be able to figure out what is going on.

It would also help if you explain what part of the processing in the application you feel is slow - when you start the application, opening images, saving, adjusting levels, redrawing after zoom or other changes or whatever you feel should be faster. Also how large are the images, and how many do you load at the same time. How many layers are you working with?

[1] Server versions of 32-bit Windows can use up to 64GB with PAE, whilst standard XP or Vista for "home" use in 32bit mode are indeed limitied to 4GB of physical memory.

64-bit versions of the OS are capable of running as much memory as you can stuff in the machine (and thousands times more than that, it's just not possible to get big enough memory sticks and many enough slots to fill up what the processor can use).

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Exactly what I said without all the techno babel. I simply chose to cut to the chase.
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Exactly what I said without all the techno babel. I simply chose to cut to the chase.
I do believe I added some OTHER useful information too (the part about trying to figure out WHAT is being slow). Under other circumstances (e.g. a small memory graphics card), you could get pretty close to 4GB of usable space. And a lot of people seem to confuse the actual physical memory limit of 4GB with the application limit of 2-3GB, which I walso wanted to clarify.

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Exactly what I said without all the techno babel. I simply chose to cut to the chase.
hmmm tom i will take matsp's techno bable anyday. But to clarify what I think Matsp is leading to I wonder how many programs or tasks you have loading up or running while at the same time attempting to run photoshop. I have had instances of programs running in the background taking up system memory thus slowing photoshop down. What I do as a way to squeeze as much out of my computer as possible is go to the run executable at the start menu and type in the word msconfig.exe and then i tab over to startup and disable all programs that try to run at startup. In older versions of windows you had to leave systrey and explorer but otherwise disable all programs and manually load the ones you want to use when you want to use them. Of course if you use antivirus programs you may want to allow that one to run at boot up. In my case I choose not to run a virus protection at all.

P.S. You will find that Matsp is very well educated in the diagonsis of many many programing problems. I think that would indicate a need for technical terminology.
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Re: Video Card

Everyone - thanks for the help - I will do some more investigating. BTW - I do have a number of programs that load at start up - so I will have to look at eliminating these and see how it helps. Mats, no problem with the technical stuff, it makes sense to me.

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